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Move to "Primary election"?

A large and probably increasing number of primaries are not partisan, which this article calls a "qualifying primary". I think "Primary election" would be a more suitable name for this topic, as it covers all kinds of primary. The only counterargument seems to be the nitpicky definition of "election" as a vote that puts someone in office. Not gonna open a move discussion yet, in case others have opinions. Toadspike [Talk] 18:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted undiscussed move. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either the first paragraph of the lede and various other places throughout the article should be changed, or the article should be moved back to Partisan primary. This article is equivocal on whether nonpartisan primaries are primaries. I'm not aware of reliable sources supporting this equivocation, and it isn’t explained well. There’s another problem; other articles link to the wrong primaries articles and we might consider organizing these articles to made them right. I think there are also some articles that link here to refer to multi-race ballots including ballot measures on those ballots and 1-round races on those ballots.

My main question is, should we this page move or edit it this case? McYeee (talk) 20:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check the history and see what it looked like before it was modified and moved. That should give you a better sense of where it should finally land. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I took a quick look at it, but I'm not really sure what the history of the article is supposed to tell me here. McYeee (talk) 20:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page this was moved over

Would an admin be willing to copy the contents of the talk page this page was moved over to here? I think it provides some good context. McYeee (talk) 21:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See subsection below. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

This page needs to be a disambiguation page. Partisan primaries are not the same as two-round systems; they are barely mentioned on the TRS page. In fact, TRS arguably does not involve a primary, as the first round may be the last round. A Nonpartisan primary is also a primary election. If you insist on a redirect, it should be to partisan primary, as it is the traditional and most common form of primary election, at least in the USA. Of course variation could increase on Nov 5 if AZ, CO, NV, ID, MT, SD adopt nonpartisan primaries. Philosopher Spock (talk) 09:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS If you have experience with disambiguation, please make this a proper disambiguation page. I could learn, but I already spend too much time editing Wikipedia. Philosopher Spock (talk) 10:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused why this is a disambiguation; it seems like it should be an article. The secratary of state of California refers to all of these as primaries in such a way as to make it seem like a single concept to her. We have an article for motor vehicle as well as both truck and car, so I'm not sure why we wouldn't do the same here. I also think that there are cases where it's more correct to link to primary election than to anything we're disambiguating. As best as I can tell, Center squeeze is a phenomenon in both IRV elections and those with primaries (all three variants here).

I suspect that whether the first round of the TRS is considered a primary depends on variety of English or where the election is held or both, but I'm not actually sure. I seem to recall TRS elections for US state offices consistently being described as having primaries by US news media but I think the Economist consistently refers to the "first round" rather than "primary" of French presidential elections.

If there is no objection, I'll make this into a stub. McYeee (talk) 23:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any issues with making this into a stub/broad concept article. Disambiguation was a good first step away from this title simply being a redirect, with the disagreement in the page history. From the page history, it seems like partisan primary was located at primary election until very recently when it was moved by @Closed Limelike Curves:. Natg 19 (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]